Gadfly, you use very colorful language. Using all caps when refering to Jasenski as a THIEF. Also calling yourselves a GANG. And HUNTING DOWN the pathetic THIEF. It disturb's me to hear such language when talking about our future county legislator. Remember, one of these guys are going to be the county representative for Rotterdam in 2008. A former police chief and an engineer acting in such a manor. I guess I can only laugh to keep my sanity.
Ya like that huh, Cicero? I guess you're not going to answer my question. Here's some more caps for ya: TOO BAD YOU'VE BEEN REDUCED TO FOCUSING ON MY CHOICE OF WORDS! And I'll take the engineer attempting to produce video documentation of the previously witnessed theft of his signs over the petty police chief anyday !
As I've said before you'll never get many good people who would do a good job interested in running for a political office as long as the mudslinging, name calling, truth bending, and lieing continue every election. Nobody in their right mind would want to go thru this type of trearment to gain a political office.
No, I believe people can make up their own minds. I don't tell anybody who to vote for. I just want to point out the pathetic state in which our local politics has become. I advocate nor defend either side.
Calling somebody a thief with no criminal record proving so is reprehensible. And I'm not going to let it go unchecked. You wanna cry foul when SCDC misrepresents your candidate, but when you attempt to do the same, you expect me to read it as the gospel. Not happening. Mr. Santabarbara should have never let you drag his good name into the gutter. Hopefully it won't cost him the election.
If you want to check something, why don't you check the definition of theft. I think you'll find that what Tony did meets that definition. Obviously, just because Tony has no previous criminal record that we know of doesn't mean he couldn't have stolen the signs. Did I mention that Angelo watched him do it???????????????? You can believe what and who you want...but I believe Angelo.
Come on....I hardly think this incident will cost either candidate the election. Jasenski doesn't have a good resume for the job and Angelo does. Angelo clearly is the best candidate for the job. People weren't crazy about Jasenski when he was the chief so no big whoop here. Again.... If Jasenski took the lawn signs, and if he was seen taking them, than call the authorities...It's never to late to file a complaint!
Although I have almost never voted for a democrat in my life, and do not plan to on Tuesday, I have personally known Tony Jasenski since he was a young child. Absent video evidence of the alleged theft, I would be reluctant- to say the least to believe it. Add to that, the fact that it appears that the "theft" was never reported to the state police, the sheriffs or the Rotterdam Police and I am very skeptical. I just dont understand why the police were not called. Yea, he was a police chief, but the state police are not going to risk their reputation to protect someone who would do something like that. Call the police, have them stop the car with signs and then this is a different story. Just my opinion though
I certainly understand your reluctance. I've known the Jasenski's since childhood and would never have believed it myself. I wouldn't believe it now if Angelo hadn't watched him do it. All this talk about video evidence was certainly anticipated, which is precisely why attempts have been made to capture Tony's actions on tape. Even if the police were willing to respond, which I really don't think they would have, they also prioritize calls. Somehow I don't think that pursuing the former police chief would have been on their list of priorities. Understand that Tony was racing away from the scene at dangerous speeds, and it wasn't long before he was able to give Angelo the slip. Angelo couldn't possibly have stayed with him long enough to guide the police to his location anyway...certainly not without significant risk to his own safety and that of his passenger. Keep in mind that Tony is a trained police officer who understands this process. I'm sure the first thing he did was dispose of the stolen signs ASAP, knowing full well he had been caught. As such, even if they could have eventually caught up with him, I'm sure the stolen property would have been gone by then. Besides, I'm sure Angelo recognizes the desperation in Tony's campaign that has led to such extreme behavior...just as I'm sure others do. This will only further motivate Angelo to beat him.
Ya like that huh, Cicero? I guess you're not going to answer my question.
Is this the question you want answered??
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So I'll ask you once again: How could Tony's actions advance anything but his own desperation? No one has to smear Tony, he's doing that all by himself.
Sure, I'll answer that question.....AGAIN. I give no credibility to the accusation against Jasenski from a "gadfly". I thought I made my position perfectly clear in my prior posts under this thread. If Angelo Santabarbara wants to sign up on this forum and explain why he neglected to call the authorities while watching a crime in progress, maybe then there would be some credence to your accusations. Until then, this is nothing more than a rumor started by a self-proclaimed "GADFLY"
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If you want to check something, why don't you check the definition of theft. I think you'll find that what Tony did meets that definition.
See, I know what theft is. I also know what to do when I see a theft in progress..... CALL THE POLICE! Maybe you and our possible future legislator/LAW MAKER should brush up one what to do when you see someone breaking the LAW. That's civics 101. You and Angelo decided to arm yourselves with video careras and chase the perp through the streets of Schenectady and Rotterdam. You guys were more concerned with the political points you could gain by getting it on video, rather that catching the person and getting the stolen property back. I'm expected to trust Mr. Santabarbara to use sound judgement as my elected representative when he makes boneheaded decisions like that.
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is apt to spread discontent among those who are. ~ H.L. Mencken
We have to elect our legislatures based on party platform and past performance and Jasenski falls far short on both. He did nothing when he was on the Town Board and left after a very short time. As a chief of police he really didn't do very much either and didn't hold that position for very long. As far as credentials go he falls far short of someone I would vote for in this election based on his past record.
Did Angelo give you the O.K. to post this information on this forum?? If he did, he's stupid.
I anxiously await the answer.
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is apt to spread discontent among those who are. ~ H.L. Mencken
We have to elect our legislatures based on party platform and past performance and Jasenski falls far short on both.
I guess I'm one of those old fashion type. I take character into consideration. Not saying anything bad about Mr. Santabarbara's character, but he doesn't need to have gadfly post messages on this message board on his behalf. Especially unsubstatiated accusations about his opponent. As someone running for elected office, Mr. Santabarbara could have called one of our local papers and made this accusation. They would have jumped all over that story. My guess it gadfly is a rouge political operative that doesn't know when to keep their mouths shut.
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is apt to spread discontent among those who are. ~ H.L. Mencken
A person who has held the position of Police Chief and Town Board member should have had ample time to prove his character. I would hope that none of these election violation rumors to be true as one of these candidates will be elected to the County Council and we don't need that type of person representing our district.
My guess it gadfly is a rouge political operative that doesn't know when to keep their mouths shut.
This whole line has been amusing and I'm sorry for not checking into it sooner, but I must say this. Cicero, calling someone else a "rough politica operative that doesn't know when to keep their mouths shut," when you, yourself, only come to this forum, mostly in the time period where an election is in the near future and have nothing but disdain for anyone that is running with an R in front of (or in, sa the case is lately) their name sort of shows us what we're looking at. Seems like someone ought to look into a mirror before they continue to spew the comments that seem to be coming out of yours.
By the way, I think that the 2 places that have been suggested (and see, I don't have the proof, so I say suggested, although I believe at this time the evidence is strong, and it WOULD have taken a picture for anyone to TRULY believe,) may not be the ONLY places that signs have been stolen from, and the other place, it seems that they have been replaced with the opponent / suggested offendor's own signs to help show support for their candidate.
Check out the area along side the current Little League fields. It seems to me that a couple days ago, there were SEVERAL signs there for the Lazzari / Santabarbara team, that had been in place a length of time. Now, what do you see driving down this stretch of roadway? 4 (I believe, I'm ot there right now counting) signs for Jasenski / Godlewski and 0 for Lazzari / Santabarbara. Gee, seems that the signs just went for a walk on their own. Now, there are a couple of signs left there as far as Republicans, but not much at all. Seems this entire area was recently and in history littered with plenty of signs from both sides.
Does anybody have any explanation of what happened to the Republicn signs that were in thisarea? Or did somebody just "accidentally" come through and take out the Republican signs?
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I'll bet that the wind must have blown them away. I can't imagine anyone taking someone else's campaign and destroying them. Everyone who reads the posts on this forum can think for themselves and most know very well what happened to the Republican campaign signs. The truth will always prevail and the guilty will be outed.
This whole line has been amusing and I'm sorry for not checking into it sooner, but I must say this. Cicero, calling someone else a "rough politica operative that doesn't know when to keep their mouths shut," when you, yourself, only come to this forum, mostly in the time period where an election is in the near future and have nothing but disdain for anyone that is running with an R in front of (or in, sa the case is lately) their name sort of shows us what we're looking at. Seems like someone ought to look into a mirror before they continue to spew the comments that seem to be coming out of yours.
Your right when you say I don't keep my mouth shut. You're also right when you say I spend more time on this forum during election time. It seems to be more interesting during local elections. But one thing is for sure, I'm no political operative. BigK, I suggest you go back to my previous posts, I believe I show disdain towards both political parties. I guess I'm a little more critical towards those (R)'s because I used to believe they represented me and my pricipals. They've gone in a direction that I will not follow. People like you Bigk seem to put party over principal. A.K.A. a sheep. Whatever direction the republican party goes, BigK will surely follow.
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is apt to spread discontent among those who are. ~ H.L. Mencken
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