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Box A Rox
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Remember all the RIGHT WING CRAZY over Barack Obama's Birth Certificate?
Obama WAS born in Hawai USA to an American Mother and a Kenyan Father.

Where is all the Right Wing Crazy over Ted Cruz's Birth Certificate?
Cruz WAS BORN IN CANADA to an American Mother and a Cuban Father.


Selective Conservative OUTRAGE!  (Pathetic)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Where is all the Right Wing Crazy over Ted Cruz's Birth Certificate?


It's on the left now. Haven't you gotten your new memes yet?






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It's on the left now. Haven't you gotten your new memes yet?




As Whoopie said... "when we turn it around, it's not very nice".  
Right Wing Crazy is "normal".
Left Wing Crazy... It kindsa hits Bucky in the balls.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Cruz should thank the View for giving him free air time...they must be running out of things to talk about there.


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Remember all the RIGHT WING CRAZY over Barack Obama's Birth Certificate?
Obama WAS born in Hawai USA to an American Mother and a Kenyan Father.

Where is all the Right Wing Crazy over Ted Cruz's Birth Certificate?
Cruz WAS BORN IN CANADA to an American Mother and a Cuban Father.


Selective Conservative OUTRAGE!  (Pathetic)


So in your opinion, is Cruz eligible to run for president?  Or are you just pointing out the hypocrisy?


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So in your opinion, is Cruz eligible to run for president?  Or are you just pointing out the hypocrisy?


Cruz is as eligible as Obama was in 2008.  (Only Obama WAS born in the USA and Cruz wasn't.)
The thread is about "BIRTHERS".  The HYPOCRISY of the Rabid Right, in 2008, compared to a similar
situation in 2016.  For the Rabid Right, it's almost never about FACTS.


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Cruz is as eligible as Obama was in 2008.  (Only Obama WAS born in the USA and Cruz wasn't.)
The thread is about "BIRTHERS".  The HYPOCRISY of the Rabid Right, in 2008, compared to a similar
situation in 2016.  For the Rabid Right, it's almost never about FACTS.


Well, there's no such thing as a "birther", just people wondering what the eligibility law is for president.  It sounds like if you are born in the U.S. and raised in another country, or born in another country and raised in the U.S. and have citizenship of another country, you are eligible.  The easier question is, what disqualifies a person from running for president?


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...or born in another country and raised in the U.S. and have citizenship of another country, you are eligible.

Cruz was born in Canada of a mother that is a US CITIZEN, which makes him a US Citizen by birth. Same as if your US Citizen parent(s) are
employed overseas or in the military stationed overseas, and give birth overseas...baby is a US Citizen by birth.
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Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock
A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock for the purposes of citizenship acquisition when the genetic and/or gestational parents are legally married to each other at the time of the child’s birth and both parents are the legal parents of the child under local law at the time and place of birth.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.


Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father – “New” Section 309(a)
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) of the INA, as made applicable by the “new” Section 309(a) of the INA provided:
1.A blood relationship between the person and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;
2.The father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the person’s birth;
3.The father was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth for five years, at least two of which were after reaching the age of 14.
4.The father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the person reaches the age of 18 years, and
5.While the person is under the age of 18 years --
the person is legitimated under the law of his/her residence or domicile,
the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father – “Old” Section 309(a) of the INA- A child born out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under the former Section 301(a)(7) of the INA as made applicable by the “old” Section 309(a) of the INA if the U.S. citizen father, prior to the child’s birth, had been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for ten years, five of which were after the age of 14, and if the paternity of the child had been established by legitimation prior to the child reaching the age of 21. The “old” Section 309(a) of the INA is applicable to individuals who were 18 on November 14, 1986 and to individuals whose paternity had been established by legitimation prior to that date. Individuals who were at least 15 on November 14, 1986, but under the age of 18, could opt to have their claim determined in accordance with the provisions of either the “old” or the “new” Section 309(a).

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth. The U.S. citizen mother must be the genetic or the gestational mother and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.http://travel.state.gov/conten.....ild-born-abroad.html



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Well, there's no such thing as a "birther", just people wondering what the eligibility law is for president.  It sounds like if you are born in the U.S. and raised in another country, or born in another country and raised in the U.S. and have citizenship of another country, you are eligible.  The easier question is, what disqualifies a person from running for president?


when aborted,,,,that's a BIG dis qualifier...or are we talking blue blood American? or are we talking indoctrinated American?

there is a difference or not......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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when aborted,,,,that's a BIG dis qualifier...or are we talking blue blood American? or are we talking indoctrinated American?

there is a difference or not......


were you repeatedly dropped on your often as a child...or later in life?


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Joe is right - If one or both parents is a U.S. Citizen and the child is born outside the U.S. than the child is an American citizen or as the Constitution states a "natural born citizen of the United States." There WAS one caveat in the past.  If the parent, who was an American citizen, was under 21 at the time of the birth and married to a non-citizen of the U.S. than the child was NOT considered an American citizen.  It is my understanding that Obama's mother was 18 when he was born and since she was married to a non-citizen IF Obama was born outside the U.S. , he would not legally have been a "natural born citizen of the United States."  
Cruz's mother was older than 21 when he was born so Cruz's father's citizen ship is not an issue.
I think that if the Democrats insist on pushing this issue against Cruz, the Democrats would look both ignorant and foolish ... and could lose some  Hispanic votes in the process.


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were you repeatedly dropped on your often as a child...or later in life?


no....repeated conversations like this throughout life is much like banging one's head against a concrete wall....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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The difference between Obama and Cruz is that with Cruz there was NEVER any doubt that he was legally a "natural born citizen of the U.S." because his mother was OVER aged 21 when she gave birth to him in Canada, and, in Obama's case, there was initially some hesitancy to verify that his mother, who was UNDER age 21 and married to a non-citizen, gave birth to him in Hawaii and not Indonesia.   If Obama's mother had given birth to him in Indonesia than Obama would NOT have been a "natural born citizen of the U.S." according to the law at the time that he was born.
In the grand scheme of things, there were so many other negatives about Obama to make the case against his election to the Presidency.  And, similarly, I think there are a number of concerns about Cruz to make teh case against electing him to the presidency.


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