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14th amendment unconstitutional?


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The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified on July 9, 1868, and granted citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” which included former slaves recently freed. In addition, it forbids states from denying any person "life, liberty or property, without due process of law" or to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” By directly mentioning the role of the states, the 14th Amendment greatly expanded the protection of civil rights to all Americans and is cited in more litigation than any other amendment.



The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws, and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.


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14th amendment unconstitutional?





The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws, and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.


Don't worry about that ole amendment.  In 1941, approximately 130k Japanese, German, and Italian Americans were forcibly sent to internment camps.  


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14th amendment unconstitutional?





The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws, and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.


Holy crap dude!

If only the 14th stopped at "All persons born or naturalized in the United States"....Everyone might think it does, but it doesn't.

RIF.....Read the whole thing.....

Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Did you see the bolded part?









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http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/



"........After the Revolution, States retained only those portions of common law that were applicable to their local circumstances. In England at the time, every person born, with few exceptions such as children born of mix-parentage (they acquired the condition of their father if he was a freeman, else child acquired their mother’s citizenship) or diplomats within the realm of the King was considered a natural born subject under the maxim every man owes natural allegiance to the King. This allegiance was a personnel allegiance owed to the King personally, and such personal allegiance was never owed to any individual under the American system of States.

This natural allegiance was perpetual and difficult to severe or alter (Once a English subject, always a English subject) and was found odious in this country (America went to war against this “natural allegiance” in 1812).

While all States could be said to have recognized birth within the State as a means of conferring State citizenship to all persons, it is important to realize these States also required of aliens who desired to become domiciled within their limits to first renounce any allegiances to other governments and pledge their allegiance solely to the State. Therefore, a child born to domiciled parents was “born within the allegiance” of the State even if the parents had not yet been naturalized.........."


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Holy crap dude!

If only the 14th stopped at "All persons born or naturalized in the United States"....Everyone might think it does, but it doesn't.

RIF.....Read the whole thing.....

Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Did you see the bolded part?



Understand.
But some lawyers say that the 'jurisdiction' is the united states.....some disagree.
this amendment was originally created for the freed slaves.
it's interesting to be 150 years out, since the amendment was written and seeing lawyers debate it's intent.
we'll have to see how it plays out in the courts I guess.


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Bobby Jindal
“We need to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants,”

Jindal likely forgot that he is a beneficiary of birthright citizenship, and could even be considered
a so-called “anchor baby.” Amar and Raj Jindal, Jindal’s parents, moved to the United States in
1971 as legal immigrants after Raj received a scholarship to Louisiana State University. Though
Raj was reportedly a permanent resident, Jindal was born in the United States four months after
his parents arrived in the country. Jindal’s mother became a citizen in 1976 and his father was
naturalized in 1986.

Marco Rubio
“I’m not in favor of repealing the 14th Amendment, I am open to doing things that prevent people
who deliberately come to the U.S. for purposes of taking advantage of the 14th amendment but I’m
not in favor of repealing it.”

Even as Rubio is pushing to remove people “deliberately” coming to the United States, his own
heritage as the son of economic Cuban migrants could make him double back on his statement.
Rubio, like Jindal, is actually a beneficiary of birthright citizenship. Rubio’s parents were not
permanent legal residents in the U.S. at the time of his birth in 1971. And neither one of his parents
became citizens until four years after he was born, the National Journal noted.

Rick Santorum
“Only children born on American soil where at least one parent is a citizen or resident aliens is automatically
a U.S. citizen,”

Even as Santorum opposes birthright citizenship, his own muddled immigrant history may have barred his
family from admission into the United States by today’s standards.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Trump Threatens To 'Scare The Pope'

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The Donald says if Pope Francis denounces capitalism while in the United States
he'll "scare" him by telling him ISIS want to take over the Vatican.

Trump said he would use Islamic State extremists to scare the pope if he slammed
capitalism on his upcoming visit to the U.S.


And this buffoon is the GOP FrontRunner?  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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If you want to understand what is happening in the country right now.....it is the frustrations and the demands for change from the electorate.
Everyone can see that there is a clear message of disgust for the political system with it's lies, corruption and failure.
don't know if he'd be a good pres or not.....not enough info yet to form an opinion.....but everyone does know that he is shaking up the media and the status quo corrupt political system.
he makes folks think 'differently'......'out of the box' so to say.
too early in the game....got 1 1/2 years to go......a lot can and most likely will happen before election day.



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Understand.
But some lawyers say that the 'jurisdiction' is the united states.....some disagree.
this amendment was originally created for the freed slaves.
it's interesting to be 150 years out, since the amendment was written and seeing lawyers debate it's intent.
we'll have to see how it plays out in the courts I guess.


'Jurisdiction' has nothing to do with geographic location but with national affiliation. The intent of Section 1 is well documented and in very plain English.

"The 14th amendment will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person." ---- Jacob M. Howard (R-MI)

You can read it in it's entirety here: ( http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11 ) Middle column under 'Reconstruction'  





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
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'Jurisdiction' has nothing to do with geographic location but with national affiliation. The intent of Section 1 is well documented and in very plain English.

"The 14th amendment will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person." ---- Jacob M. Howard (R-MI)

You can read it in it's entirety here: ( http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11 ) Middle column under 'Reconstruction'  



again.....my point is that some lawyers agree on it's intent.....and some don't.
they'll have to play it out in court.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Trump Threatens To 'Scare The Pope'



And this buffoon is the GOP FrontRunner?  



You mean ISIS doesn't want to take over Rome, after they said that they do?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....f-Islamic-State.html

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Rome will be conquered next, says leader of 'Islamic State'

Muslims have been called to flock to the 'Islamic State' to gather for a battle against non-believers throughout the world


Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-proclaimed leader of the 'Islamic State' stretching across Iraq and Syria, has vowed to lead the conquest of Rome as he called on Muslims to immigrate to his new land to fight under its banner around the globe.  


Have a nice day!





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You mean ISIS doesn't want to take over Rome, after they said that they do?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....f-Islamic-State.html



Have a nice day!



How is ISIS going to get the Toyota pickup trucks that they used to defeat Iraq's military over to Italy?




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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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again.....my point is that some lawyers agree on it's intent.....and some don't.
they'll have to play it out in court.


Nope!  

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4: Congress shall have the power...

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Congress sets the rules and limitations on immigration, not anybody else. Not the USSC, not the POTUS or any other part of government.

It's been done too. When the 14th was passed, Native Americans (Indians) were not included because, at the time, Congress felt as if the Indians had an allegiance to their national tribes. They were not US citizens.
Congress revisited this in the 1920's and reversed their decision. They decided that under the 14th and using their power under Article 1 that Indians be granted citizenship and *Poof* all of them became US citizens.

No signature needed by the President....No court ruling.





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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