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I agree Bumble, the County Council doesn't care what the towns think or do. The council only wants what they think is important and is you don't agree with them they attack you like a rabid dog. The city also sends us criminals to hang around Walmart and mug the shoppers when they leave the store. They city also gave us graffiti for our buildings, fences, and bridges. The city has also given us vandalism in the form of slashed tires and broken windows. For all this we can thank the crime ridden city of Schenectady.
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http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archives/2006/01/pataki_proposes.html
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Jessica¹s Law would include:

Tougher Sentences for Sex Crimes against Children

* Mandatory A-I sentence of 25 to Life for violent sexual felonies
against children (Jessica's Law)
* Increase age threshold for most serious sexual crimes against children
from "under 11" to "under 13"
* Mandatory life without parole sentence for causing the death of a child
during a sexual assault (Tamiqua's Law).
* Creation of a higher-level A-I felony offense for using children under
the age of 13 in a sexual performance.
* Increased sentencing for all other sexual crimes against children.
Tougher Sentences for Repeat Sex Offenders
* Mandatory 25 to Life sentences for all second-time sexual felony
offenders.

Tougher Sentences for the ³Worst of the Worst² Sexual Offenders

* Mandatory 25 to Life minimum sentence for new crime of ³Predatory
Sexual Assault².
* Aggravating factors for the new crime of ³Predatory Sexual Assault²
would include: (1) causing serious physical injury; (2) use or display of a gun, deadly weapon or what appears to be a gun or deadly weapon; and (3) committing more than one sexual assault; (4) a prior sexual or violent offense.

Strengthening Other Sex Assault Laws

* Adding numerous sex crimes to list of ³violent felony offenses².
* Eliminating requirement that ³physical injury² be demonstrated in
aggravated sex abuse cases.
* Require the Board of Parole consider input from the State Board of Sex
Examiners prior to granting parole to any sex offender.
* Make Sexual Abuse in the Second Degree (subjecting one incapable of
consent to sexual contact for any reason except age) a felony. Currently, it is only a misdemeanor to subject a person who is physically helpless or mentally disabled or incapacitated to sexual contact.

New York State Director of Criminal Justice Chauncey G. Parker said, ³This legislation will give law enforcement officials the tools they need to ensure that dangerous predators who prey on our children receive the appropriate punishment. As a former prosecutor I know how important it is to have a law like Jessica's Law on the books. I want to thank Governor Pataki for continuing to propose legislation that will allow us to further protect our children and families.²

During his 12th and final State of the State Address three weeks ago, the Governor called for new laws that would further protect our children and families by: requiring the civil confinement of dangerous sexual predators; imposing longer sentences for those who molest and rape children, or commit violent or repeat sexual assaults; strengthening New York¹s Megan¹s Law; ending the statute of limitations on rape and sexual assaults; and requiring all criminals to submit a DNA sample to the State¹s DNA Databank.


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The problem with the legislation is:

No one knows the why?
the how?
the what?

no one knows what a predator or sex offender is......

shame on those 60's generation who were the counter culture.....what did ya come up with as a foundation----nothing

ya'll cant decide what murder is- what rape is-made a new definition called 'sex offender'(isn't this rape/asault etc,,maybe even a form of what "covetousness", lasciviousness, deviance etc)....the problem being no one can tell the plumb line......deviant from what, coveting what(youth envy), lasciviousness(just do it, if it feels good do it)...I'm sure deviant wouldn't even ring a bell,,,,,,,,

I guess that is why zoloft, paxil, viagra, adderall etc are so popular.......let's hear it for the "60's Minority Report"
I wonder if they could explain a hate crime---isn't that a thought crime?? AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Historically there has never been a foundation. We have tried from the beginning of time without sucess. We are all humans with the God given right to make choices. And we do that individually or collectivly. And sometimes we do it the right way and sometimes the wrong way.

We can't realistically have a solid foundation in a society unless the entire society thought the same. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE and would also be dangerous. If we all thought the same we would be clones. And what one person or group thinks is the right way, another person or group would think it as the wrong way.

So we have to co-exist, with our individual or collective idiologies, HOPEFULLY, without hatred or predjudice. THAT IS THE GOAL!! And sometimes we fail miserably at it, and sometimes we succeed.


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GLENVILLE
Board urges county to delay sex offender residency laws
Officials wanted to see data supporting need for measures

BY MARK ROBARGE Gazette Reporter

   The Schenectady County Legislature’s decision to reconsider a pair of laws restricting where registered sex offenders can live was not enough to allay the concerns of members of the Town Board.
   The board voted unanimously Wednesday night to call on the Legislature to delay implementing the laws until the county can provide town officials with data both supporting the need for the laws and assuring that the laws won’t have a negative impact on the town.
   “I don’t want to do anything that would encourage any convicted criminal to move to the town of Glenville,” said town Supervisor Frank Quinn. “If somebody gave me data, I might vote differently, but the county hasn’t given me any of that data.”
   The board stopped short of calling for the Legislature to rescind the law altogether, defeating that resolution in a tie vote. Quinn and board member Robert Bailey voted in favor of that measure, while board members Mark Quinn and Valerie DiGiandomenico were opposed. Board member Edward Rosenberg was absent from the meeting.
   DiGiandomenico said having some restrictions on the books was better than none at all while town and county officials work out their differences, while Mark Quinn said he felt pushing to have the law rescinded sent a message that was too confrontational.
   “I think that they’ve received the message loud and clear,” Quinn said.
   County legislators on Tuesday set public hearings for Wednesday on proposed changes to the laws, which would have prohibited any registered sex offender from living within 2,000 feet of a school, playground or other places where children gather. The Legislature will consider rescinding one law that would have forced any registered sex offender already living within the excluded areas to move by Oct. 1. Meanwhile, it will look at changes to the second law to exempt Level 1 sex offenders who are considered to be at low risk of re-offending and allow municipalities to expand the excluded zones beyond the county’s limit.
   Town supervisors said they have opposed the laws because they effectively bar all sex offenders from living in the city of Schenectady and village of Scotia. They say that could force those offenders to move into more rural areas of the county or go underground to avoid detection.
   The town supervisors been asking the county for data supporting the new laws since they were approved in June. Frank Quinn said the supervisors just received the first response, from District Attorney Robert Carney, but that information indicated that one of the main objectives of the laws — to protect children from repeat offenders — may be a moot point.
   Quinn said the district attorney’s data indicated that of 113 sexual offenses prosecuted in the past two years, only six involved repeat offenders and only two of those cases involved children, with the victim in both cases being either a family member or acquaintance of the suspect.
   “Recidivism isn’t really an unmanageable problem for the city and the village, yet they’re still willing to send the most serious of the sex offenders — the Level 2s and Level 3s — out to the towns,” Quinn said.  



  
  
  

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Man pleads guilty to raping handicapped woman
8/17/2007
By: Web Staff
  
ALBANY, N.Y. -- An Albany man has pleaded guilty to raping a severely handicapped woman.

Dalo Richard, 30, pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree rape in Albany County Court.

According to the DA's office, Richard -- who worked at the Albany County Center for Disability Services -- had sex with a woman who is mentally disabled, legally blind, and is a spasmodic quadriplegic with limited speech capabilities.

The woman became pregnant by Richard and gave birth back in May. A DNA sample from that child matched test results from Richard, leading to his arrest.

According to the plea agreement, Richard will serve 18 years in state prison and five years post release supervision. Sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 12.


So according to the law, is this a guy a 'rapist' or a 'sex offender'?


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So according to the law, is this a guy a 'rapist' or a 'sex offender'?


No one is really sure.....humans are predators...predators of the stock market,,predators seeking youth,,,predators seeking viagra,,,predators seeking food,,predators seeking shelter......I really dont understand the gray area and 'changing' of the true offense at hand......

I wonder if he had a background......this could be the first time he was caught.....I guess we need 'Thought Crime Police'......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I think that this sick SOB would qualify for both being a sex offender and a rapist and he should never see the light of day or freedom again.
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Main Entry: of·fend
Pronunciation: &-'fend
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French offendre, from Latin offendere to strike against, offend, from ob- against + -fendere to strike -- more at OB-, DEFEND
intransitive verb
1 a : to transgress the moral or divine law : SIN b : to violate a law or rule : do wrong 2 a : to cause difficulty, discomfort, or injury b : to cause dislike, anger, or vexation
transitive verb
1 a : VIOLATE, TRANSGRESS b : to cause pain to : HURT
2 obsolete : to cause to sin or fall
3 : to cause to feel vexation or resentment usually by violation of what is proper or fitting
- of·fend·er noun
synonyms OFFEND, OUTRAGE, AFFRONT, INSULT mean to cause hurt feelings or deep resentment. OFFEND need not imply an intentional hurting but it may indicate merely a violation of the victim's sense of what is proper or fitting . OUTRAGE implies offending beyond endurance and calling forth extreme feelings . AFFRONT implies treating with deliberate rudeness or contemptuous indifference to courtesy . INSULT suggests deliberately causing humiliation, hurt pride, or shame .


I say based upon definition #2a----they should be called 'sex pebbles' and should be removed, permanantly....would you put the 'pebble' back in your shoe??


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Now, the next question would be did she get pregnant the first time this happened, or was it multiple times, and could we count each occurrance towards the 3 Strikes rule?
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Does recinding the "Kosiur" law make anybody safer?  This was a politicized issue to make county democrats look bad.  Were the 750 names on the petition really concerned that crazed sex offenders were going to now purchase houses in Duanesburg and prey on their children??  What's the average house go for in Duanesburg?? $200,000+. I can picture it now, groves of sex offenders moving out of their 1 bedroom apartments in Mont Pleasant, and head to the country to buy a 3 bedroom 1.5 bath, on a 2.5 acre lot. In a few weeks this issue with sex offenders will fade to the point it was at prior to the special election.  Because we all know if this law was passed in January of this year, and there was no race of the 105th, the general public wouldn't even know who Ed Kosiur was, or the law that he sponsered.


First, the law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL right from the start. Even if the counties agree to it!

Second, don't even think for one minute that people will forget who Ed Kosiur is and 'Kosiur's Law'. People made that know during the last election. It was a staggering amount of people who got out to vote in a mid-summer election. Perhaps it wasn't Kosiurs Law per say, but it was clearly an eye opener to the counties, that they are not being considered or feel that they are not being represented. Nor were the counties supervisors approached for discussion.

Thirdly, as far a this being politicized to make the dems look bad...well that's a no brainer. It don't take much to make them look bad.They seem to do a fine job all by themselves with very little help. Remeber there old Cicero, the reps didn't create Kosiur's law...Ed Kosiur and Suzie Savage did. So if the dems look bad, hang that defeat on them. The reps just picked up the ball and ran with it.

Forth and final, whether this law is rescinded or not, will of course not make us a whole lot safer, in part. But it's a damned if ya do and a damned if ya don't situation. If news of these pedophines continue to flood the airways and the people saw NOTHING done about it, they'd be screaming.

So for now, I still say that Jessica's Law is clearly the best alternative. Longer prison terms and GPS for life. END OF STORY!


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You know why I believe this was completely political?  Because after reading Rene Merrihews posts, I realize that her inellegence wouldn't lead her to believe that he passage of the "Kosiur Law" would be a real threat to her towns people.  Knowing the zoning laws and property values of Duanesburg, she had to know that there was no real threat of sex offenders who live in the city of Schenectady migrating to Duanesburg October 1st, when the law will begin to be enforced.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I do not recall any commercials or literature handed out by the Kosiur camp during the campaign stating that he was going to keep your kids safe because of the law he sponsered(Kosiur Law).  But I do recall the republicans attacking the legislation for there political gain during the special election.

Just an observation


I suggest you go through and read the posts in this thread and refresh your memory. And if you don't recall Kosiur stating that his law would make the kids safer because of his law, than what was the purpose of the law?


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Schenectady County sex offender laws to get another look
Written by: Jessica Harding, Schenectady County Reporter
email: hardingj@spotlightnews.com

Complaints from town officials and the threat of a lawsuit have encouraged Schenectady County legislators to rethink two laws restricting where sex offenders can live.

All 12 legislatures present, including the law’s sponsor Ed Kosiur, D-Schenectady, voted to hold two public hearings to discuss the county’s local laws at its Tuesday, Aug. 14, meeting.

The public hearings are scheduled for Wednesday, Aug. 22, at 7 p.m. The first hearing will address the county’s law excluding sex offenders at all levels from living within 2,000 feet of places where children congregate, including public parks, swimming pools, daycares and schools. The legislature is considering amending the law to exclude Level 1 sex offenders and give the local villages, towns and the city more leeway to impose greater restrictions on Level 2 and 3 offenders.  

The second hearing will discuss the county’s law, which forces convicted sex offenders who currently live within a restricted zone to move by Oct. 1. The legislature introduced a proposal Tuesday to rescind that law.

“The laws adopted in June were intended to protect children throughout Schenectady County from convicted sexual predators and to place our community on a level playing field with other counties in the Capital District that have instituted similar restrictions,” Chairwoman of the Legislature Susan Savage, D-Niskayuna, said in a statement. “Some concerns were raised from members of the community as a result of the restrictions we instituted. We listened to those concerns and think this proposal addresses many of them while still providing a level of protection to our community.”

Communities surrounding Schenectady County have similar restrictions on sex offenders including Rensselear, Saratoga and Albany counties, but all these counties have a grandfather clause for offenders who were living within restricted zones before the laws were enacted.

Town officials in Schenectady County have been speaking against the laws since the Legislature enacted them in June. Town officials fear that sex offenders would move into the rural areas of the county especially in the western areas of Glenville, Rotterdam and Duanesburg.

Duanesburg Supervisor Rene Merrihew presented the Legislature with a petition signed by 750 people in Duanesburg asking lawmakers to rescind both laws.

“The town of Duanesburg has been responsive in a way I have never seen before,” Merrihew said.

She said lawmakers were moving in the right direction to consider exempting Level 1 sex offenders from the restrictions and rescinding the eviction law, but she wants to see more done. Merrihew said the Legislature should meet with local experts and consider all stakeholders before making a final decision.

A few of the county legislators who spoke adamantly for these laws in June stepped back and admitted that the laws were made in haste, and, as a body, the Legislature needed to listen closer to the public.

Robert Farley, R-Glenville said the best ideas come from the public.

“We all agree, as a Legislature, that we need to listen more,” he said. “We need to listen to our law enforcement, experts, local governments and other stakeholders.”

Farley also agreed that exempting Level 1 sex offenders was a good idea. He said Level 1 sex offenders are not the child molesters that this law is intended for.

Joseph Suhrada, R-Rotterdam, agreed that the laws needed second look.
“Politicians don’t say sorry very often, but sometime we have to,” he said. “We need to look hard at this again.”

Michael Eidens, D-Niskayuna, was one of the three legislators who voted against these laws in June. He supported the public hearings but said he also supports rescinding both laws and starting from scratch.

Eidens said the Legislature should bring in local experts and hold meetings with local law enforcement and town governments before making a decision.

“We need to come up with something workable and bipartisan,” Eidens said.

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"Robert Farley R-Glenville said the best ideas come from the public". If this is true then why the he** don't they listen to us when we offer ideas and suggestions?
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