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Democrats gave $900 BILLION to banks and corporations.  Where is the money?


The Democrats did??? How did they do that Cissy???
Did they take up a collection of all Democrats to make that donation???


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The Democrats did??? How did they do that Cissy???
Did they take up a collection of all Democrats to make that donation???


No, they borrow the money mostly from foreign investors and central banks, then steal from every American and call it legal taxation to pay it back to the lenders with interest.  The corporations get the money to buy up all the valuable assets, the banks get paid back with interest, and the average American gets poorer.  You don't know how that works yet?  Donations would be honest, the government doesn't do things honestly.


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No, they borrow the money mostly from foreign investors and central banks, then steal from every American and call it legal taxation to pay it back to the lenders with interest.  The corporations get the money to buy up all the valuable assets, the banks get paid back with interest, and the average American gets poorer.  You don't know how that works yet?  Donations would be honest, the government doesn't do things honestly.


How did the DEMS do that when the Reps control the House???
Didn't the Reps have to vote it in to be a law???


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How did the DEMS do that when the Reps control the House???
Didn't the Reps have to vote it in to be a law???


The $787 billion stimulus( American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) was passed in 2009(later revised to $831 billion).  Dems introduced the bill(David Obey(D)) and they controlled both houses of congress, and Obama signed it.  That's how it was done.

I'm surprised you forgot how the Dems borrowed nearly $1 Trillion to give to the wealthy AND extended the tax cuts for the rich.  


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The $787 billion stimulus( American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) was passed in 2009(later revised to $831 billion).  Dems introduced the bill(David Obey(D)) and they controlled both houses of congress, and Obama signed it.  That's how it was done.

I'm surprised you forgot how the Dems borrowed nearly $1 Trillion to give to the wealthy AND extended the tax cuts for the rich.  


And without the stimulus??? Where would we be today???
The USA was days away from a total breakdown.  The Obama stimulus (after the two bush passed stimulus
bills) was necessary to prevent a total depression.  
I know, I know... a total depression and breakdown of the US govt is a good thing for you... but
not for the rest of America.


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And without the stimulus??? Where would we be today???
The USA was days away from a total breakdown.  The Obama stimulus (after the two bush passed stimulus
bills) was necessary to prevent a total depression.  
I know, I know... a total depression and breakdown of the US govt is a good thing for you... but
not for the rest of America.


There would be a lot less rich bankers, and a lot less debt to pay off for the wealthy that received it, and less devaluation of the dollar.

I know, I know...a depression would harm way too many bankers on Wall Street.  You have to keep them rich. Where else could you get a loan to buy a house are car, or get a credit card to keep the economy going?  Without an economy in debt to bankers, what kind of economy would we have?

BTW...How many of those bankers that collapsed the economy did the Obama justice department prosecute?  Ahhh...Never-mind...Those people were the large Obama contributors, can't prosecute them.

Box can't stand to see the breakdown of the corporate controlled government.  You need to strap Americans with massive debt to keep corporate America firmly in control.

Good for you box.  Way to come out on the side of the wealthy.  Your support is to protect the poor and working class of course.  Without dumping billions into the laps on bankers and corporation, the average American could never survive.


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There would be a lot less rich bankers, and a lot less debt to pay off for the wealthy that received it, and less devaluation of the dollar.

I know, I know...a depression would harm way too many bankers on Wall Street.  You have to keep them rich. Where else could you get a loan to buy a house are car, or get a credit card to keep the economy going?  Without an economy in debt to bankers, what kind of economy would we have?

BTW...How many of those bankers that collapsed the economy did the Obama justice department prosecute?  Ahhh...Never-mind...Those people were the large Obama contributors, can't prosecute them.

Box can't stand to see the breakdown of the corporate controlled government.  You need to strap Americans with massive debt to keep corporate America firmly in control.

Good for you box.  Way to come out on the side of the wealthy.  Your support is to protect the poor and working class of course.  Without dumping billions into the laps on bankers and corporation, the average American could never survive.


You are wrong on this one (surprise)!
The RICH would survive the depression and still be rich on the other side.
The average individual, the ones that are NOT RICH would have been devastated
and would have come out the other end in worse shape then when they entered the depression.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
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You are wrong on this one (surprise)!
The RICH would survive the depression and still be rich on the other side.
The average individual, the ones that are NOT RICH would have been devastated
and would have come out the other end in worse shape then when they entered the depression.


Not a chance!  If the banks were stuck with those toxic mortgages, they would have went into default.  Sure, the rich would survive literally(food clothing shelter), but the corporations would have went bankrupt, and all the property held by these corporation would have been devalued and bought up by others.

If the hundreds of billions in bank bailout was given to the citizens instead of the banking institutions, and the banks collapsed, the citizens could have purchased all the assets held by these corporate banks.  Instead, the banks held on to the property that was defaulted on(paid by the taxpayer), and the average worker will have to take out a mortgage to purchase the banks "toxic assets".  What a scam!

But, that's the it seems your generation likes to be managed.  


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And without the stimulus??? Where would we be today???
The USA was days away from a total breakdown.  The Obama stimulus (after the two bush passed stimulus
bills) was necessary to prevent a total depression.  
I know, I know... a total depression and breakdown of the US govt is a good thing for you... but
not for the rest of America.


So corporations are not people, and corporations are evil, BUT...you support giving corporations hundreds of billions of the people's money, in order to save the people?  You are very consistent.  Reward the corporations(that aren't people) that collapsed the economy by strapping the average people with hundreds of billions in debt, AND keep the same corporations that caused the problem in power.  

Well..,you summed it up..,corporations need to maintain control of the economy, and the governments role is to preserve that power at all costs.  

Box supports campaign finance reform, AND supports public money to bailout corporate banks.


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So corporations are not people, and corporations are evil, BUT...you support giving corporations hundreds of billions of the people's money, in order to save the people?  You are very consistent.  Reward the corporations(that aren't people) that collapsed the economy by strapping the average people with hundreds of billions in debt, AND keep the same corporations that caused the problem in power.  

Well..,you summed it up..,corporations need to maintain control of the economy, and the governments role is to preserve that power at all costs.  

Box supports campaign finance reform, AND supports public money to bailout corporate banks.


Cissy supports nothing but what benefits himself.  


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Cissy supports nothing but what benefits himself.  


Box supports failed banks.  He couldn't stand to live in a world without Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.  God forbid they failed, it would be Armageddon!  Lol!  Hey box, you are a corporatist, just like the repubs.  You will always side with the aristocracy.  


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Not a chance!  If the banks were stuck with those toxic mortgages, they would have went into default.  Sure, the rich would survive literally(food clothing shelter), but the corporations would have went bankrupt, and all the property held by these corporation would have been devalued and bought up by others.

If the hundreds of billions in bank bailout was given to the citizens instead of the banking institutions, and the banks collapsed, the citizens could have purchased all the assets held by these corporate banks.  Instead, the banks held on to the property that was defaulted on(paid by the taxpayer), and the average worker will have to take out a mortgage to purchase the banks "toxic assets".  What a scam!

But, that's the it seems your generation likes to be managed.  


Did you do a lot of drugs when you were younger?
I mean, there has to be a reason your brain doesn't function well!
Not sure what part has logic/reality responsibility, but you
have obviously fried it!


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Did you do a lot of drugs when you were younger?
I mean, there has to be a reason your brain doesn't function well!
Not sure what part has logic/reality responsibility, but you
have obviously fried it!


Yes, I know it's crazy talk to even suggest the obvious theft of the average citizen through taxation.  Not wanting to give $800 billion to large bank to bailout their bad investments is wacky.  After all, if I lose my money because of bad investments, we all know the federal government will borrow the money to subsidize my loses.  Or I'm sure Goldman Sachs would just give me the money. That's what sane people do.  We take care of one another - kum ba yah!

There is nothing more American than theft by democracy.  It's the American way.  If you even question it, you must be on drugs.


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UM... Cissy...
The headlines:

Citigroup and U.S. Reach $7 Billion Mortgage Settlement

NY Times
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/20....._type=blogs&_r=0


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